I know, I mean, how many golf stories can one hear? My concordance doesnt include an entry for paid pastor. It seems Billy Graham has the gift of evangelism (gifts of the Spirit to the church, Rom. What does any of this have to do with God? Both Mark Driscoll and Matt Chandler at one time were spokesmen for Docent a company you pay to research and write sermons for you. Boy did that make some pastors extremely mad. Platt, the senior pastor of McLean Bible Church in Northern Virginia, is now caught in the middle of a scandal that is reminiscent of events that took place in 2019 at a How does this work? But what is he doing? When The Tron church heft the CofS their website said they were goingto join the International Presbyterian Church. The flock is right in holding its paid shepherd role accountable, sadly lacking today. The same is true for many ARC churches. Cheaper.only pay one pastor and get double the offerings? @ ZechZav: In fact, upon being appointed, Platt actually said, I now see the beauty of the CP. As does a real paster, of course. @ Deb: @ Gram3: He demonstrates his attitude that he can dress down for Sunday service. This happens at my church too and it is lovely. In growth and maturity, we need to feed others, and to be served, ourselves both. And all the travel time. Platt is clearly NOT a pastor. David Platts mission, whether he realizes it or not, is to make MBC a social justice church. Throws a different light on things. Very true and this phenomenon applies to the congregation as well. And he has a whiff of self-righteousness about him. The interim setup is weird, the IMB Trustee statement is really weird, and the Platts have moved their kids to MBC. David Platt (ThM, PhD, New Orleans Baptist Theological Seminary) is the pastor-teacher of McLean Bible Church, founder of Radical, and a Council member of The Gospel Coalition. On the subject of tax: David Platts Radical Inc. (and also the Gospel Coalition and Ken Hams Answers in Genesis) are non-profit 501c3 organisations. He was the celebrity Pastor who would get the young men excited. One hour to download it from a Research Service and trim off the labels, 19-24 hours to play Doom, Sounds like Comrade Napoleon on how the Pigs of the Inner Party have such a hard and lonely task. Its high-glycemic index gives a rush of exhilaration as it floods into the bloodstream like pure sugar. I hate all this back room deception and gaming. I mean, they were so mad I have no doubt theyre trying to find me. i called every single one. Please dont tell me that Lon believes in Calvanismwould break my heart. Rumor has it that the IMB is super mucked up financially. Even if he mostly avoids distractions from pesky parishioners and students, and mostly recycles and repackages his content, theres still unavoidable meeting time with the church staff who tend the flock, grad assistants who grade the papers, TGC comrades, researchers, editors, publishers etc. Why do we continue attending fellowships that such a person presides over and wonder why things go wrong? To me, its not mainly about feeding. Most of the congregation will never realize this as they are caught up in the cult of personality. We do need bread from heaven we live by the Word of God; it should come from the pulpit, but God can use anyone to bring forth a word, anywhere. I am thankful to a special friend who invited me to take acourse on Pastoral Leadership offered by a conservative seminary. I couldnt agree more. Well, I am officially terrified of diverticulitis now! There are plenty of people in Nepal, grafting away for little personal glory. The legal profession just balks. Lon always wore a suit. This money comes to you tax free, as you (unlike the rest of us Americans who dont have pastor or Reverend in front of our names) do not have to pay federal income tax on that portion. He didnt know our names in a 4000 member church. Where is most of ones time spent? It took us two years in this church to feel comfortable. I think youve summed it up pretty well. Yes, Hug. So disheartening. I asked if anyone had any word on new and promising upcoming middle of the road candidates for the next election because I did not have time right now to research them myself. @ AnonInNC: Nor do they ever get any deeper. Not a clue. We are disgusted that its gone neo-Cal and SBC. We are to go into all the world and BE witnesses. Incidentally, they didnt go there to preach the gospel as such. Improvements in administration were sorely needed and we have become better stewards. My problem with the tax breaks for churches and staff is they dont want government intrusion but then want to keep special exemptions. We are called to be like the Bereans in Acts 17:11, so the more I followed up with Davids teaching I found that he plays fast and loose with Gods word. So far they havent bothered us too much about the whole covenant signing thing, but Im concerned Whats going to happen when the new church covenant to replace the old (two churches are merging) comes in, and the push comes to get everyone to sign the new one? I may be reading too much into your comments. That is simply not a position that exists in the New Testament. We are blessed in this country and some others, where we can have buildings and assemble publicly. Those things cannot be torn apart and pitted against each other; they are part and parcel of the whole. Im sure they could help. The Tron, and others (some of which are known to me directly) are looking for the perfect church network. He said Bill, this is Christs body, broken for you. I have NEVER had anyone do that in communion before. Before we get into this post, let's take a look back at the views that Ed Stetzerhad about his former pastoral role in churches. I attended his church in Birmingham a number of times because my kids went to college in the area. Platt New! I dont disagree. I am sure my staff are wondering why I laughed so loudly a moment ago. Mahaney. I do think ministry of the Word takes precedence over pastoral care. They will help the bakery improve marketing and distribution: Corporate granaries such as ConAggerback and General Willow Mills. You must have T.U.L.I.P., the doctrines of grace. We were an all volunteer army. Sovereign Grace Ministries 2) And making way too much of it at the other. It would seem that Paul is drawing attention to those who perform their offices well. He also said that my observations of being a church memberin a number of churches would be helpful to pastorsas well. I dont remember exactly who was there, but I remembered wondering how they could fill their other responsibilities and who was footing the bill. The non Cal-Staff members eventually left and were replaced with SBTS people. WebHaving a speech impairment can be a very frustrating and embarrassing experience for the person experiencing it. WebWe dont have lots of information about members of the JP family except for the fact that his father is a driver. What does any of this have to do with God? My guess is that they are going to start monkeying around with what is being taught. Dave A A wrote: Exactly! . I think the problem is less than someone might be only delivering sermons than that they are being paid, essentially, a full time salary or a hefty salary and are refusing to do the traditional ministerial/pastoral duties. It looks like he is staying on. This is not to argue against paid staff but it should certainly argue for much more humility than what is often demonstrated. Therefore, Who God is and what He has done is paramount for the faith community. The Church gathered to worship is a witness that God indwells His people. i suppose its happening just wish it would go faster. only 1 church in my town would let me hold a musical recital at their facility. Kin Platt was the mad genius of young adult books and probably the most controversial writer for this audience in the 1970's. This phrase lacks, IMHO, just a single e. There were more interesting and relevant things that I cant remember from that story. How differently the Word would be preached if nobodys mortgage depended on tickling itching ears? We worked out a formula to give the Sunday school class church a small donation to pay for our seat and the heating, etc. How is that in any way a thing?! Perhaps David Platt can get some pointers from Kevin DeYoung. This is and has always been the model of Lutheran (LCMS and ELCA synods) pastoral care. Maybe I did not put it across very well and I certainly agree with you about the importance of the two great commandments. And I think a pastor saying they will NOT do these things says something negative about their attitude. These pastors faithfully execute the responsibilities of their jobs, but those who so desire can carve out a fairly cushy lifestyle as a pastor. Just where can you find all these multitalented people who are biblical scholars who can do all their own research, have a commanding ability at teaching, are people persons who are adept at counseling and hand holding and socializing (three different things there) and who will work 80 hours a week for minimum pay and who refuse to delegate but do it all themselves? Please, I prepped lesson plans for 6 math classes per day (4 different grade levels) in way, way, way less time than that! You have an actual job with many other responsibilities. Heres one thats guaranteed to make my progressive brothers and sisters recoil in horror and get their boxers and panties in a dither every time: Very few people are in jobs that are truly safe. He walks around to the tables, introduces himself and tries to get to know the customers. What does this mean? and for fun. He turned to me and said "Pastor X called me by my names tonight when he handed me the bread. Remaining dependent on that sermon as your primary source of scriptural input seems odd too. Thats a pretty sweet return for using the name of Jesus in vain for two to three hours, and the people bought his junk by the droves on that proverbial table at the back of the room by the door. I believe this is the way missions should be viewed and accomplished. ___ As others have already stated here, he is exhausting to listen to, and we feel very beat up after his sermons. And yet, in spite of all that, that man led them in circles for forty years until everyone whod started on the journey was dead and desiccating in the desertand even that humble man himself blew it and died without entering the Promised Land. First things first, since were lost in all the re-definitions while keeping old labels. an abstract you who is just a part of a mass of faces. Jesus said 3x, Feed my sheep. They are His sheep. Often, they are on the same track, preaching the same series, with a slightly different title for each series. Heres one thats guaranteed to make my progressive brothers and sisters recoil in horror and get their boxers and panties in a dither every time: Just because we are not catholic and they are no longer sacraments doesnt mean they cease to be important. In old English, the verb pasture was turned into the noun, pastor. Does not. Ok, maybe Im missing something but hes offering to preach for free, the church is being very wise in theyre decision making, David Platt knows his family and what he needs to do to spend time with him. Does theology (study of God) take precedence in your schedule? Fear strikes at the hearts of the men of the NAMB. Web9. I bet Mac Brunson is now going to become on of the Calvinistas. Scripture also uses terms like laborers together with God. Wasnt there some problem or other with Elis sons, taking the best parts of the sacrifices for themselves? I was shocked when I saw a Facebook post about MBC being affiliated with the Southern Baptists. My problem with the tax breaks for churches and staff is they dont want government intrusion but then want to keep special exemptions. I asked to meet with the pastor and was referred to an intern and then to a lay minister. It certainly wasn't dealing with parents extreme mental illness for 30 years, health problems of both sets of departed parents raising my sister when we had a new baby and the teenage junk she put us thu, it certainly wasn't when my husband lost the use of arm to a accident and spent a year at p.t , it certainly wasn't when my accident caused me a bum leg and I still do my housework dragging it around. Thats better left to the students he and Piper appeal to at their annual Cross Conference. Yours is a valuable reminder, too, of how many clergy embody anything BUT the gospel. What I would say is, if you ever find the perfect church, dont join youll spoil it. The bread is indicative of the Bread of Life, and the lighted candlestick indicates someones home the presence of the Holy Spirit. I am preparing myself to disciple others. That seems super deceptive to me. olks, find a church in which you have a real pastor, not a talking head who offers nothing different than a podcast Find a pastor who knows your names and will come and sit with you when you are in the hospital. Speech is a complex process that requires precise timing, nerve and muscle control, and as a result is susceptible to impairments. Expenses run high in that stratosphere. We are in great peril if our skills and talents exceed our spiritual character. He clearly could not know everyone by name as our capacity as humanssociologically speakingtaps out at around 150 (if you look at the literature). Ive never seen this in scripture. Agreed, especially when the pastor who is taking money from the church would claim to be more important than those putting the money in. Who wants a job where you give everything, then the mob can take a vote as to whether you keep your job or not! 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